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any kinds of other equipment those

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things become very useful and we can

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take those isolated sounds and

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isolate them and put them on separate

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tracks and build up you know what would

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sound realistic

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thing you can also use the tape as kind

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of a diary because the tapes are

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inexpensive it's not like shooting the

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imax film where you know so many dollars

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per second of film

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and you have to

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you know use it very wisely

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i believe you're taking a dozen

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cassettes with you which is something

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like 12 hours of sound which is a lot of

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material so i wouldn't be

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concerned with all the things you have

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on your mind

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to try to set up a shot and get the k

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you know the sound just ready and then

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have somebody start this and run that

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that's going to be just too much to to

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worry about

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with these cassettes um you can set this

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maybe even record a rehearsal for a shot

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when the camera's not running because

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you can get them some of the sound

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uh without the camera horror going and

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we could maybe cheat that sound later

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quality standpoint

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how good a quality is that tape after

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being before it's used

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well this is kind of a well we uh this

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machine this is a commercially available

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cassette recorder right and it's its

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operation is is very simple it's similar

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wi-fi system

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it's very similar to it it is a it is a

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very high quality cassette recorder it's

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about as good as you're going to get

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and certainly within this size package

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and simplicity of operation uh you're

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not going to do better and we've

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recorded lots of material on a machine

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like this in the studio to use in

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regular films

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so it can be very good and

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that is the frequency response that this

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machine will pick up with these

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and uh it

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it's not just a documentation device in

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the sense of getting a record like a log

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tape would be

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uh this actually can make recordings

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which can be aesthetically

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we'll talk about um putting voice

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information on the tapes a little later

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because once again it can be used as a

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diary you put a tape in you can say the

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time and you can identify the situation

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you can talk all you want you'll find

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that most sound men end up talking to

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themselves a lot of time partly because

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they're driven insane in their work

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and partly because it's a it's a good

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way to you know keep a diary

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often you go out and record and you'll

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say well i'll remember later what i just

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did or where i was but you won't and and

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weeks later you'll pour it through your

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tapes and even you just hope that along

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there there's there's ids and times and

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any you know any information you want

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any home unit that you might

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encounter

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you can see once you run the tape and

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i'll just put it in play you can see

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that the wheels are turning

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they fortunately they've prevented the

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ability to pause on this machine

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do you want this recording to be dolby

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or non-dolby which is an electronic way

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of encoding the information on the track

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the answer is yes and so we can always

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keep it in the dolby position

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if you accidentally had it in the

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non-dolby position it wouldn't destroy

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your recording

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it wouldn't be quite as higher quality

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this this switch here is depends on the

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cassette you buy just like film stocks

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sensitivity

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a pad really if you were going to record

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something amazingly loud a rock concert

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diesel engine by something enormously

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a um a set of resistors into the

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microphones that desensitizes them a

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great deal

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um you wouldn't have to worry about this

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you won't be recording anything

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that will require that type of

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the sound unit i would turn them off

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after a session yes okay

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don't don't worry about it if you can't

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my instruction would be to turn it off

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what i'm saying is if you forget

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i'm too busy there's probably not going

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to be a serious problem

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the end of the session i turned

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everything off and put it in case and a

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week later i pulled out i know it's all

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and more or less the way we've used this

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recorder on the flight is not to make a

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stereo recording in the sense of

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left here and one right here but rather

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separating the two such that they both

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a perspective on different items you

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and and using this rather as a two

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recorder rather than trying to just get

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stereo image

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you could have one mic

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down on the mid deck ceiling and one up

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above in the flight deck depending on

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what you were doing so

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the we'll talk a little bit more about

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uh placing microphones later but

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think of it as two tape recorders um

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you'll always record on both channels

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time you go into record both

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both channels were poor

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think in terms of how how broad you can

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make your coverage of things and getting

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recording it's strictly a monitoring

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and you use your other headphones

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there are no headphones plugged in

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playback so the signal on here you can

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the red but it's not banging and living

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right procedure yeah what

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what you're the only judgment you're

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going to make it's said on this

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instruction here what full

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which would mean they're assuming that

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what you're going to record is a lot of

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quiet little noises most of the things

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you're recording are

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in the shot oh yeah you're right let me

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ask a question about this you have

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you so it puts a ceiling on things if

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it's cheaper so

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the green dot is on with

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another limiter yeah they are is that

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what you want well

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but that's in cases in which the

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recordist is at the gain control and he

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as things occur as you know you can see

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something really loud is about to happen

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and maybe he's rehearsed it he knows he

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can crack it now crank it down

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well with the limiter on what will

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he will not

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make those judgments for you what the

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limiter will do is we will put a ceiling

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on things such that if you're recording

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a normal dialogue

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scene and then suddenly there was a big

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noise somebody dropped something a

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clipboard or of course nothing could be

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dropping each other

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somebody bangs a piece of equipment

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little bit everything would kind of dip

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decide upon once you get up

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flight deck wherever you are if you

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probably have found about the right spot

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things are going to change a lot

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in the mid range here such that once in

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a while a loud noise will peak it

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but most of the time you're safe and

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things are staying

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there is a lot of meter action but it's

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not hanging in the red you're allowed to

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go into the red

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that's fine

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i think the kind of sounds you're gonna

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you're gonna hit

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you may get a better recording without

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it so

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i can't tell you two different things

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now that you say that

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we could set this thing up when it's

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running yeah

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and get busy for about 10 minutes and

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we're not even watching the meters and

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all of a sudden noises are louder than

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we thought when we were setting it up

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yeah and we could be banging the heck

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out of that regime and so by having the

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limiter on yeah

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that's your choice

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well

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let's go with the green dot then okay

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i'm not i'm not trying to be the

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hypocrite

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the funny thing you're talking to most

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sound men won't use a limiter okay

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you're emotionally again but you mostly

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watch your job well but we are

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monitoring the machine that's another

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thing and often you have a chance to

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rehearse something so let's let's be

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safe and go with the green dot now but

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if we're doing something we're able to

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monitor it we'll we can do it without

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them yeah

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if you put it in the middle the

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the sound in the preceding minute and

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the succeeding minute which is the most

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valuable sound we can get

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is well recorded

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the sound during the actual running of

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he uses the sound as what we call a

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guide track it tells them enough for him

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to try to recreate it well i'll tell you

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now you see that that's interesting

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because that means that during this the

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real deploy sequence

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when we're really running that camera

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you won't actually use this one any

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comments

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that the crew members make spontaneously

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about what you see and it doesn't matter

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whether the camera is running yes even

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if we

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do we know what you

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what you found if you look at that and

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say wow look at that isn't that

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incredible

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that's a really useful piece of song

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again you know some people will be

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sometimes picking those things up

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so again a mic in front

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a mic

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either in the middle and the after on

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this side i i don't know i'm not sure

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once again it's it's a simple case of

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having the microphone near us the most

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activity

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we don't have so we don't have

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microphones everywhere

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front back is obviously as we we've just

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looked at as the most likely to get

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something of everything

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if there's no activity no one operating

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anything up front

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then i would move the mics back into

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this area and it may be an odd case

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where you want to mic downstairs and one

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upstairs i'm not sure i guess

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put the whole set up now

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well once again down here in this part

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this is

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made for sound right it is respected

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yeah it is spaceflight right

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um

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i sort of wanted to finish up by just

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making sort of going over a list we've

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always touched on many of them with

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things that

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you might want to record or or things to

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consider anyways

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um just to repeat myself

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of course we're interested

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in trying to record any time the camera

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is used a camera event

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and trying to record uh

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time before and after that event you

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know and so i would sort of have the

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sound just roll minutes in advance of it

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and uh let it go for a while afterwards

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um

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as a corollary to that if something

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happened during the camera event

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you could could reproduce later

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that'd be great too but that's something

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that's

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really occupy your mind and it's a key

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line of dialogue or something somebody

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said something but

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then secondly the thing to be aware of

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is to gather

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interesting sound which will be useful

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for this type of picture especially the

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comments are very interested in your in

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the crew's reactions to being here and

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things they see

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since this film is focusing on a lot of

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things that are out the window you know

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things that we're seeing on earth

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that

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if there were times where there was

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conversation about that maybe sitting in

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a meal while you were discussing what